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Topic: A question about styles and guitars
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posted October 19, 2002 09:54 AM
Hi all,can you play all styles on any guitar, or do different guitars need to be used to play different styles. I'm talking about metal/punk (MetallicA, Pennywise, Nirvana, ...) and just normal rock (style Pink Floyd, Dire Straits). Can I play these metal/punk things on my Squier Stratocaster, and if so, how do I set my buttons, cause I can't seem to get that type of sound? Or do you need to have a ESP (cause I noticed most metal guitarist use that - at least Kirk and James from MetallicA do), or Gibson guitar to do that? Thx in advance, Perrin IP: Logged |
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posted October 19, 2002 12:27 PM
Yes, you can play ANY style of music on ANY guitar. Some guitars just have a better tone for certain kinds of music.IP: Logged |
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posted October 19, 2002 02:21 PM
get yourself some kind of overdrive/distortion pedal if you cant get that tone out your amp.IP: Logged |
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posted October 19, 2002 03:04 PM
if you have a strat with a five way switch, use the fifth position (closest to the bridge) for the most bite, this will give the best crunch when you distort... I like the 1st position for solos, it gives a softer tone and then the 2nd position is great for clean... it works out. If you can't distort to get the tone you want, get a pedal or try different amps at the guitar shop. good luck ~steveIP: Logged |
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posted October 19, 2002 06:47 PM
FPG is right, any guitar will get the job done. When you develop better skills, you will want better tones for what you play. Developing tone is alot of fun. You have tons of options and there's a gazillion guitars, amps and pedals out there that will offer you great variety.Also, the bridge pickup on your current setup is great for metal, the neck pickup with the tone backed down below half way is great for a semi acoustic tone and the middle settings are, well you guessed it. Good for the middle of the road. The most bang for your buck when starting, if you are just starting, would be a decent multi effects pedal. Like the ones made my Boss or Line6 etc. They'll offer you different tones, not just limiting your guitar and amp combinations tones. Good luck. Chaiyz IP: Logged |
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posted October 20, 2002 07:53 AM
Generally, for country and kind of piercing sharp tones a strat provides a great sound, due to the single coil pickups.For metal and blues, usually a guitar with humbuckers is used as they generally give a nice rounded tone when used clean, and also tend to sound better distorted and with various effects. Ibanez have a lot of these. For Jazz, a semi-electric is often used. You can spot these by the f-shaped holes they have in the body. That said, you dopnt have to use certain guitars for certain things. A strat distorted can give a different sound than a distorted Ibanez, and it may be what youre after. Also, Noel Gallagher from Oasis (a UK rock band) usually uses a jazz guitar when he plays lead, so dont feel limited to certain types of guitar. IP: Logged |
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posted October 23, 2002 01:47 AM
I am with FPG, even years before I found this site. Most of what makes an "electric" git sound like this or that, is: FX FX FX. I endorse muti FX units constantly. I don't care if you have a $100 squier cheepo or Justin Hayward's Gibson ES-335, it's effects. Hayward's Gibson ES-335 could be made to sound like a cheezy garage trash guitar if I effected it right. Or wrong. Similarly, a cheap 100 dollar "bullet" strat can sound like D. Gilmour with the right FX. I'll preach this FX sermon anytime. I love FX. But style is important too. A great player can make a cheezy git sound great with little FX. Just get yourself a POD-like device, there are many. JimIP: Logged |
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posted October 23, 2002 05:54 AM
My take (similar to many others - sorry, LONG!):You can play just about any style on just about any guitar, with the exception of special hardware like a guitar with a tremelo arm being required for certain kinds of music (like faux Mexican-sounding soundtrack music). __________________________ The problem comes when you want to get the same tones (sound like) songs or styles on recordings. You can play SRV's "Lenny" on a Epiphone Les Paul (esp. if you had some kind of whammy mounted for some bits) into a Roland Blues Cube, and even impress the hell out of people. However, it won't have the same sound as the recordings. The notes will be the same, but the tone and effect on the listener will be noticeably different. Imagine hearing the melody to "Moon River" played on a trumpet. Now imagine it on a clarinet. Now a sax. Now a piano... The same exact notes, but very different. Once you get to know guitar tones, the difference between a Les Paul and a strat is as big as that between a sax and a trumpet. ____________________________________ Not having the same tone as on classic recordings isn't neccessarily bad. That can help you find "your sound" and, in general, help music evolve instead of getting stuck in a rut like "you need a strat to play electric blues" (show up at any 'blues jam' to see this in action). _____________________ Chasing exact tones also involves amps and effects. A MXR Phase 90 phaser doesn't sound like an EH Small Stone anymore than a strat sounds like a Paul. Heck, even an MXR Phase 90 (block or reissue) doesn't sound like an MXR Phase 90 (script)! And amps, fuggedaboudit! This can get very, very expensive and can become an unproductive, time consuming distraction from actually playing the guitar (in my opinion). Still, it's undeniably cool when you hit a chord and it sound just like your hero. We all have to find the balance for ourselves, but as long as your guitar intonates well, can stay in tune, doesn't buzz or have any dead frets, etc - you can play pretty much whatever kind of guitar music you want on it. IP: Logged |
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posted October 23, 2002 08:05 PM
Dead frets?IP: Logged |
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posted October 24, 2002 02:04 AM
I meant like where a neck is warped or a fret gets ground down too much, and then when you go to play certain notes the string bottoms out on the next fret or frets after it. In that case, anything from a buzzing to a quickly dying note (and the wrong note, too!) is heard.The main point was, that unless a guitar has setup or other playing problems, you can play any style on it [but the 'tone' might not be exacly the "right" tone]. [This message has been edited by dmt (edited October 24, 2002).] IP: Logged |
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posted October 24, 2002 05:05 PM
dont worry so much bro. just get a guitar you like and play it. dont worry about how you show set presets and what not. just find a tone you like and #%^% around with it.IP: Logged |
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posted October 24, 2002 05:59 PM
its not the brand, it is the equippment. take an average telecaster and put some hot emg pickups into it, run it through a boss metalzone and into your stack, and you will sound like average joe metal band.IP: Logged |
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posted October 24, 2002 10:44 PM
Gentlemen?? Who wants to sound average?? I don't wanna preach the multi FX sermon again, but who wants to be average??? Music, since classical days to big band to classic rock to 21st century metal is a COMPETITION. The deal is to sound better than the other guy. I frequent this mostly blues club that sports mostly "average" cover tune bands with an average strat, thru your average amp, with your average distortion, and that's all. But once in a while somebody with a little money and cleverness gets on stage and I hear delay, chorus, noise gate. I'm impressed by the band that has the least buzzing sound between songs(noise gate) and impressive FX. Please don't be average. JimIP: Logged |
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posted October 25, 2002 07:56 AM
You may want to check into a splittable humbucker for bridge position in your guitars. That way you can get rock tones in humbucking mode or clean/strat tones in split mode through 1 pickup. It's a lot more versatile, most guys get a push-pull tone pot to activate the split coil function. Anyway, welcome to guitars. IP: Logged |
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posted October 26, 2002 03:34 AM
Thank you all for your replies, I think this has helped me with my problem. Not that I'll have to worry about this sort of thing in the next couple of months, since I just got started playing, so for me it still is practice, practice, practice ... . I just wanted to know if I had the right equipment to play these metal/punk kinda stuff.One more question though, what are humbuckers? Is this a special kind of pickup? Perrin
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posted October 26, 2002 08:59 AM
Humbuckers are pickups with TWO coils together. Looks sorta like a double single coil. Humbuckers are often covered with a metal cover (covers are usually off for very high gain playing, on for sweet classic rock sounds and a cool look).For pics, look on the left: http://users.chariot.net.au/~gmarts/pickupin.htm Humbuckers eliminate the 'hum' noise that is inherent in single coil pickups. Unfortunately, they sound duller/less "clear" than single coils when played clean. On the plus side, they sound "fatter". A great example of theses sounds is Eric Clapton and BB King's recent CD 'Riding With The King'. BB is playing humbuckers while Eric is playing single coils. The two tones are dramatically different.
Where humbuckers shine, is with distorted tones. There's a power and thickness to humbuckers when distorted that single coils don't get. Crunchy chords, singing leads. Unfortunately, thick and sustain-y isn't always good, so single coils have their place here too. I know this isn't your style, but another example that's popping into my mind for distorted sounds is Clapton with Cream for humbuckers, Hendrix for single coils. Maybe someone else can give metal or punk examples? __________________________________ I think quite a few metal players use EMG 'active' pickups, but I've never tried them myself. They have solid black covers like this: http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/f4583a71/bc/rig.jpg?bciYH49AU2C8WO3w _________________________________ I have single coils (on a strat), P-90's (on an SG) and humbuckers (on a Les Paul), myself. They're all good but quite different. In the future I might go with a guitar with a mix of different types, but I haven't decided what mix yet. I also have a PRS (yeah, too many guitars and this one's for sale as I think three guitars is my limit) with "splittable humbuckers" - you can split the humbuckers by pulling a knob to use only one coil, getting more single-coil like sounds. Try some different guitars out and have fun! I'm guesssing you're probably gonna want humbuckers, though, but you'll have to try them out for yourself. -David [This message has been edited by dmt (edited October 26, 2002).] IP: Logged |
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posted October 26, 2002 02:48 PM
I didn't know anything about this either before it was explained to me when I bought my second guitar earlier this year. My first guitar only had single coil pickups, and I can't get that cool metal sound at all when I play it, like I do on my new Ibanez (I LOVE that guitar! ). So now I wouldn't buy a guitar without humbuckers. IP: Logged |
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posted October 27, 2002 07:15 AM
so i guess ericonthenet, you would have left a Hendrix concert cause he had a bit of noise coming through his speakers between songs !?! effects can be great, and also a crutch. there are guitar players out there that just plug straight into an amp and they can still rip your head off. you can play through any professional guitar players rig and not sound anything like them. all i'm trying to say is that it's more than just gear. unless you plan on joining or starting a tribute band where you'll want to sound exactly like the guitarist, just find a guitar you like to play and DO YOUR OWN THING!!!IP: Logged |
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posted November 05, 2002 06:05 PM
I'm not crazy about effects anymore. I think they take away from the natural sound, if ya know what I mean.-brenden  IP: Logged |
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posted November 05, 2002 06:24 PM
But still the body of the guitar will alter the sound, but will it that much? If i took the pickups out of a les paul and cramed them into a telecaster, will the telecaster pretty much get the same full sound as the les paul, or would the telecasters sound be greatly different?Basically, Is it the pickups or the the constuction of the instrument that alters the sound the most? IP: Logged |
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posted November 05, 2002 06:57 PM
both.
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posted November 05, 2002 09:45 PM
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posted November 06, 2002 01:04 AM
hereisdan, (long, sorry!)The wood has a signifigant effect, as does the bridge, neck, scale length, hardware, pickup type, pickup location, wiring, etc. The pickups can't "pick up" any sounds that weren't originally there (besides feedback, I guess). Besides the metal of the strings and bridge and fretwire, the main difference between guitars (disregarding pickups) is the wood of the guitars and the vibration patterns that wood absorbs and then imparts back onto the string. Maple, for example, vibrates and sounds different than poplar, which sounds different than mahogony. Also, individual pieces of mahagony (for example) will sound different than other pieces of mahogony. These differences seem subtle at first, but as you gain experience, they become ever more apparent. For example, my friend has an all mahogony Gibson guitar that has a certain growl in the wood. If I play the guitar uplugged, lyin on my back, I can feel that growl vibrating my chest. I also have an all mahogony Gibson, but this one has a certain lack in the bass end. Again, unplugged lying down, I can feel it in my chest. I can feel it vibrating less when I play a bass string riff. Both of these guitars exhibit these same exact individual characteristics of their wood when amplified too! Different pickups will have their own sound characteristics too, but, they are amplifying what the wood is doing and that charecteristic will always be there. Different kinds of wood will give the characteristic tone of that species, and individual pieces of wood within a species have their own individual characteristics. Sometimes the differences are subtle, sometimes they are really strong. Note: enough distortion and compression can mask the differences between guitars. Your strings are connected to the bridge, which is anchored in wood. On the other side they are connected to the wood of the neck via the nut or a fret. When the string vibrates, it vibrates the bridge which gets the body wood vibrating, and on the other end the fret and the neck wood start [really] vibrating. The vibrating neck and body vibrate each other at the neck joint. As the wood vibrates, it also vibrates the anchors (fret and bridge) of the string. The string isn't vibrating between two fixed points, but between two vibrating points. These vibrating string ends change the way the string itself is vibrating, making it more complex and giving the guitar it's individual sound. [This message has been edited by dmt (edited November 06, 2002).] IP: Logged |
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posted November 06, 2002 08:03 PM
Actually, Bugman said it well - both.After all that talk about wood, I just want to make clear that wood and construction is a factor, but so are pickup types. Two humbucker guitars like a humbucker equipped Tele and a Les Paul will both have a "humbucker sound". There will be obvious similarities. On the other hand, a Les Paul with humbuckers, a Les Paul with Mini-humbuckers and a Les Pauk with P-90s will all show shared "Les Paul sound" qualities. If this is hard to imagine, think of single coils as motorcycles and humbuckers as cars. A sportbike (motorcycle) and a sports car will show shared qualities (high acceleration, great handling, uncomfortable and expensive for commuting). However, a sportbike and a cruiser-style motorcycle like a Harley will also have [different] shared qualities - for obvious reasons. They're both motorcycles! IP: Logged |
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posted November 07, 2002 04:28 AM
again i just have to add, the player makes a difference too. If Randy Rhoads played through Zakk Wyldes rig (i'd likely pass out, but thats another story) would he sound like Randy or Zakk ? You can go out and get exactly the same equipment as your fave player and still not sound anything like them. i got to play one of Tracii Guns guitars once (modified strat) felt like a piece of crap to me but he sure made it sound good! IP: Logged | |